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Re: Why bear markets are less scary in each cycle
in Economics
Have you considered dividing  the whole period 2009-2026 into two episodes 2009-2017 and 2018-2026 ?
I'd definitely say there were at least two different periods, even if I'd put the cut between 2016 and 2017, or choose some date in early 2017 (for example the futures approval), because 2017 was the year of the first real massification of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general (first futures, altcoin ICO craze etc.). 2018 was the aftermath of that bull market so it makes no sense to put the cut between 2017 and 2018.

I'd also cut off the first year. There was no real market back then. More cuts could be done between pre and post mid-2014 (MtGox period and post-MtGox) and pre and post late 2020 (Tesla involvement) and even in 2024 (US ETFs). And of cours I'd analyze the yearly averages, to flatten the volatility spikes.

But in general this doesn't change that much of the interpretation. 2017-18 was still a stronger bear market than 2021-22. And the 2017 bull was still much stronger than the 2021 bull.

There could be two ways to interpret this:

- buyers start to accumulate earlier in the bear market (anticipation) and this leads to higher lows.
- sellers do not panic that much anymore, only in periods of strong insecurity (the current Iran situation/recession fears) or Bitcoin-specific bad news (Terra/Luna, FTX, China ban -50% crash in 2021). In contrast to that the 2018 crash was purely panic-driven, probably due to an exhaustion of the bull fueled by new retailer capital which had flown in in 2017, thus this might have been the last classic "weak hands" crash (another reason for the 2020 cut I mentioned above).

Both reasons are bullish and would be a strong foundation for a 60k bottom or at least a yearly low close to 50k at most which is of course still possible.

But they are comforted by the fact that this market has fluctuated many times and later the market will recover twice. Therefore, people are less afraid now because they have already experienced it.
This can indeed be a reason and the cause for the two phenomenons I mentioned above (earlier accumulation, less panic). A textbook maturing of the Bitcoin market.

There could be even more ways to interpret this and most of them are pretty straightforward I think. Bitcoin has stood the test of time and there are now probably more people involved with bitcoin who also have a somewhat longer history with bitcoin. It is not very new hands in there who get shaken quickly. You've got more investors who have far more financial endurance, which means there is supposedly less downward dynamic possible. That doesn't mean it is impossible, but especially the dump in end 2017/18 has proven that there were so many retail traders who literally shit their pants and then sold at whatever they could get.

Another factor was how diluted. the market was, or the ecosystem in general. When one alt coin after the other died within hours because liquidity disappeared, holders tried to get out of their alt, mostly into ethereum then and from their cut losses. It was the perfect storm to pull down everything. It was usually this altcoin x > ethereum > bitcoin > dump for fiat and cry. It depended on which exchanges traders were using, but in many cases that was their exit route an ethereum was far more volatile than bitcoin, therefore almost everyone dumped ethereum and was extremely concerned and sensitive to price movements in bitcoin, too. That is why it really ended in a slaughtering no matter which crypto you looked at back then.

I think this has changed because many big and institutional investors are less likely to move their holdings when bitcoin goes down or up 20%. Back then there were far more people (relative to big holders I suspect) who could contribute to that dump.

With time passing by and less of this crazy hype speculation talk and reporting in public, I think there are more holders now who have made a rather strong decision to get in and stay for a while. In 2017 you had to act fast and couldn't make up your mind first for months or look back at a solid decade of global bitcoin trading. All that has changed and makes it less likely to see another 70% dump.
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Re: Harvard dumps entire ETH position after just one quarter
in Economics
It is really funny to think that Harvard already had a solid footing on Bitcoin and ETH then they converted part of it to an ETH ETF and eventually sold it at a huge loss.  Are these people experimenting with their funds?  Those realized losses on selling ETH ETF could have been a good fund to strengthen their holdings on the BTC ETF, but such poor planning and fund execution.
Whether they bought these as experimentation or as part of a diversification strategy, in both cases exiting so quickly is the wrong thing to do. This is among the basics that we tell others who want to invest in these things, that you have to wait a fair amount of time to get good results and the longer you wait the better rewarded you are -- unless you invest at a lucky time, but that is like winning the lottery. Still, since ETH is a shitcoin anyway buying it on false premises is questionable. It is more understandable to dump that centralized shitcoin than it is to sell Bitcoin under any condition.


I don't have the exact timeline of events in my head now, but could this decision be a consequence of financial distress because of Trump's administration terminating research grants? Otherwise this is a stupid decision as you would think that an institution like Harvard would know slightly better than the average Joe. They wouldn't have opened that position in the first place if they knew they are about to run out of liquidity. It is a weird action and not very comprehensible, no matter how you look at it. I have no idea what their operating budget with respect to investing is, but that position wasn't a joke.
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Re: Mark Cuban has declared that he has dumped most of his bitcoin
in Bitcoin Discussion
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“When all this shit hit the fan with the Iran war, bitcoin was always the best alternative to fiat currency losing its value and I always thought it was a better version of gold than gold. Well, gold just blew up... bitcoin dropped. And every time the dollar dropped, bitcoin should've gone up ... and it just didn't do that,” Cuban said.[/i]

Read in full https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2026/05/21/mark-cuban-says-he-sold-most-of-his-bitcoin-after-failed-hedge-narrative-disappointed-the-billionaire

Maybe he just doesn't understand complex systems very well although is what he claims to be good at. If it was that easy of an equation, but there is so much more to it.

As you've mentioned, most of those billionaires have publicly declared when they dumped their bitcoin, but why don't they announce when they are about to buy it? Cheesy Novogratz did that and I don't know, but hasn't Cuban been there before? I don't know anymore, but several of those tech billionaires talked bs about bitcoin as soon as they got out.

What is so weird about it is why do they get into it in the first place? To me this means they pretend they have understood the technology and therefore bought some, or they are just gamblers, but then should admit it. They pop up at TV interviews telling how much they understand about the tech finally, only to then say that they have been wrong and dumped all their bitcoin. Strange to say the last.
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Re: El Salvador has become the first country to make #Bitcoin legal tender! 🇸🇻
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They don't release their plans on when they would sell their Bitcoins. What's clear for now is they choose to consistently buy Bitcoin's then HODL it for long term.

But try to read this
https://coincentral.com/el-salvador-breaksdown-2026-strategy-for-bitcoin-and-ai
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/news/bitcoin/bitcoin-vs-el-salvador-how-the-countrys-btc-investment-strategy-changed-in-2026
maybe you learn something from those articles.

Investors, whether individuals, institutions and/or governments, do not need to sell or plan to sell in order to profit from holding a pristine asset that likely goes up in value faster than other assets...

Guys who believe that selling is necessary in order to "lock in profits" do not likely understand the difference between investing and trading... since it hardly makes any sense to sell a superior asset for an inferior one, even though surely there may well be some presumptions that there is a need to consume the "profits" from the investment, which also seems to relate to mistaken ideas about what motivates and justifies ongoing investment without having to immediately consume as soon as "profits" are perceived.

This and I think chances are very high that those who take profits today are those who end up buying back bitcoin at a higher price later down the road. Since, as you said, it is a pristine asset, the long term chances for the price to go up are very real and I doubt that the majority of those who take maybe a 50% profit, will then hold back and just watch bitcoin develop while not getting back in. It should be well thought through whether someone is willing to take profit off the table with the severe risk to watch it go up further afterwards. Too many people have been there, buying back at higher prices than they sold for.

The network isn't saturated, adoption is going on, functionalities like lending against bitcoin are rolled out, the role that bitcoin plays within the economy will most likely expand. Of course it depends whether an investor decides to sell 10% of their bitcoin or 100% of their bitcoin. It can make sense to sell a small portion, but very often this topic is discussed in a binary fashion: either own bitcoin or sell 100% of it. That doesn't make sense.
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